Isabella Ann Hurst
Isabella Ann Hurst 2
PHOTO: WW1 Soldiers "Australian Cousin". 5 These photos were passed down from Isabella and as yet are unidentified.
PHOTO: 6 Originally we thought they were Percival and Maurice Fry but they have now been eliminated as candidates based on the "A" appearing on one of the soldier's shoulder patches. According to the Austrlian War Memorial this indicates service at Gallipolli which was before the Fry brothers enlisted.
Isabella married Thomas Byers Green, son of Thomas Green and Eleanor Elizabeth Smith, on 12 Sep 1886 in Saint Bartholomew Parish Church.1 (Thomas Byers Green was born on 12 May 1860 in Islington 7 and died on 1 Jul 1898 in England 8.)
1 Ancestry.com Online Census and BMD, www.ancestry.com, London Parish Records.
2 Web (Misc), Photos JT email 20100520. Isabella Ann Hurst & Son Thomas Byers Green (postcard dated 29 Aug 1917).
JT Emails, Isabella Ann Hurst b. 17 Jan 1861, d. 8 Mar 1945. Have certificates.
Web (Misc), JT. Isabella Ann Green (Hurst) in the photo, was herself killed in the 2nd W.W. in Smithfield Market (Age 84)
5 Web (Misc), JT Email 2010.
War Memorial (Australia), Email AWM 2010. ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Mon Mar 21 9:08
Subject: Fwd: RE: Maurice Leslie Fry and Percival Gordon Fry
Thank you for your email regarding the photographs of Maurice Leslie Fry and Percival Gordon Fry and my apologies for the delay in contacting you.
Provided that the image is clear we can sometimes identify the battalion based on the colour patch worn on the shoulder of the uniform or for example, if the soldier is wearing leather leggings that they served in the artillery. However, we are unable to provide identifications and do not conduct extensive research into material that is not held in the Memorial's collection.
I must also advise you that when considering portraits for inclusion in the National Collection we require the donor to supply the identification of the serviceman. Relatives of those photographed can sometimes confirm this through original annotations and captions recorded on photographs, comparative portraits or through supporting documents in the form of personal diaries and letters. Please also note that we do not collect portraits of everyone who has served and instead assess original material for those who died during conflict and significant medal winners.
I have reviewed the portraits you submitted with the curators in our Military Heraldry and Technology section and they have advised that the soldier's colour patches are too obscured for them to identify their battalion. However, they have pointed out that in the portrait of the two men together one is wearing an Anzac 'A' badge on his shoulder, indicating that this soldier took part in the 1915 Gallipoli campaign (for further information on the Anzac badge please see: <http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/H00135>; <http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/D00609>; <http://cas.awm.gov.au/item/REL30226>). We have noted that the enlistment dates you have provided for both Maurice Leslie Fry and Percival Gordon Fry mean that they could not have partaken in this campaign.
IR17;m afraid that I am unable to offer any further guidance on how you could confirm that these soldiers are who they are purported to be. It might be beneficial to ask your relative who holds the originals to check the backs of the photographs or compare them to other material held by the family.
Thank you again for your enquiry and for your patience throughout this process.
Assistant Curator - Photographs
Australian War Memorial
JT Emails, Thomas Byers Green b. 12 May 1860, d. 1 Jul 1898. Have certificates, plus marriage cert.
8 Web (Misc), JT.