James Murray
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James Murray
(1787-1873)
Isabel McLarty
(1792-1855)
Duncan (Twin) Walker
(1787-Bef 1887)
Catherine Mitchell
(1792-Bef 1892)
John Murray
(1813-1861)
Isabella Walker
(1819-1903)

James Murray
(Cal 1840-1889)

 

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Spouses/Children:
Margaret McNab

James Murray 2 3 4

  • Born: Cal 1840, Lochgilphead, Argyllshire 5 6 7
  • Marriage: Margaret McNab on 9 Apr 1868 in Church Of Scotland, Lochgilphead 1
  • Died: 30 Dec 1889, Ship "Talisman", Official No 86687 8 9 10 11
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  General Notes:

There seems some confusion as to his birth. The 1871 census has him born about 1840 in Lochgilphead which agrees with his 1868 marriage entry. The latter document shows his father as "James" Murray, Cooper, and his mother as Isabella Murray (nee Walker). There is an 1861 death entry for "John" Murray, Cooper, married to Isabella Walker. In 1841 we have a Lochgilphead household of what seems to be 4 generations (James and Isabella Murray with children John 29, Angus 19, James 12, Margaret 9, Isabella 6), grandchild James 8mths, Isabella Walker 22 and Angus McLarty 72. No entries have been found for the birth of James Murray b1840 or the marriage of John Murray and Isabella Walker.

We will assume for now that the 1868 marriage incorrectly shows shows "James" not "John" and that it is likely that John and Isabella may not have been married in 1841. (Or at all - the 1881 census just found records Isabella as Walker not Murray and the 1861 census records Isabella as "Walker or Murray").

The photo is still to be confirmed but all so far points to it being James Murray.

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  Chronology:

In 1841 he was 8 months old living in Kames, Glassary, Argyll with his father, mother, grandparents and great grandfather. His name is shown as Murray but that of his mother is shown as Walker. 12

In 1851 he was 10 and described as "receiving parochial relief". He was living with his family at 4 Cossack St, Glassary, Lochgilphead. His father was described as "in bad health". 13

In 1861 he was a Fisherman living with his widowed mother and siblings at Cossack St, Glassary, Lochgilphead. 14

In 1868 at the time of his marriage he was described as a Fisherman of Lochgilphead, Argyll, Scotland. 15 16 17

In 1871 he was a Fisherman living with his wife, two sons and mother-in-law "Mrs McNab" age 77 in Cossack St, Glassary, Lochgilphead, Argyll. 18

In 1875 at the time of Donald's birth he was described as a Fisherman of Lochgilphead, Argyll. 16

In 1881 he was not at home with the family and it is assumed he was Able Seaman Merchant Navy. 19

In 1889 at the time of his death he was the 2nd Engineer and Fireman on the Ship "Talisman". (He was described on his wife's death certificate in 1913 as a Seaman - Merchant Service). 20 21


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James married Margaret McNab, daughter of John McNab and Margaret Henderson, on 9 Apr 1868 in Church Of Scotland, Lochgilphead.1 (Margaret McNab was born Cal 1836 in Dunmor (near Easdale), Kilbrandon Parish, Argyllshire 22 23 24 25 26 27 and died on 6 Jan 1913 in 7 Anderson St, Glasgow 21.)


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1 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Marriage.

2 Wes Halket Sent to Pat Beresford - extensive Halkett family tree info attached, Letter - Wes Halket 1996, Name only.

3 Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages (Victoria) - Certificate, http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home, Donald Murray, Death Cert.

4 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Donald Murray, Birth.

5 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Marriage. Age 28 yrs in Apr 1868.

6 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Death 1889. Age 48 - b. Lochgilphead, Argyllshire.

7 Scotland's People - Index, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Birth. 8 Mar 1842 MURRAY JAMES THOMAS MURRAY/JESSY GREENSHIELDS FR513 M GLASSARY 511/00 0003
8 Mar 1842 MURRAY JAMES THOMAS MURRAY/JESSIE GREENSHIELDS FR512 M GLASSARY 511/00 0003. This is the only James Murray born Glassary roughly the same date. Very unlikely.

8 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Marriage DM 1868. shows "dec".

9 Census UK, http://www.censusuk.co.uk/, Cenus 1881,1891. 1881 MM is "Marr"; 1891 MM is "W".

10 Scotland's People - Index, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Death 1889. Jame Murray d. 1889 age 48 (Marine Records) - ordered copy 22/8/03.

11 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Death 1889. b. Lochgilphead, Argyllshire.

12 http://freecen.rootsweb.com/, 1841C.

13 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, 1851C.

14 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, 1861C.

15 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Marriage 1868.

16 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Birth DM 1875.

17 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, 1871C.

18 Scotland's People - Index, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk.

19 Ancestry.com Online Census and BMD, www.ancestry.com, 1881C. Name:Jas Murray
Age:42
Estimated Birth Year:abt 1839
Gender:Male
Where born:Argyleshire, Lochgilphead
Registration district:Shipping At Sea
Civil Parish:Vessels
County:Ships In European Ports
Address:Owl 68052 Glasgow
Occupation:A B
ED:Owl
Household schedule number:455
LINE:17
Roll:cssct1881_338
Household Members:
NameAge
Wm Shann39
Chas Forrest40
Jno McIntyre36
Henry Ornie22
Thos Hunt20
Jno Jackson26
Chas Barton22
Wm Sloan36
Geo C Wallworth18
Thos Kelly16
Wm McLachlan40
Michl Morris28
Jno Docherty20
Patk Burns24
Jno France28
Wm Murray20
Jno McCarthy20
Thos Laey24
Nicholas Power25
Murt Bane26
Saml Skelland25
E M Higgins24
Jno Whitty40
Jane Brumson46
Saml Dolan60
Peter McKillar41
Danl Whiteford32
Jno McKenzie38
Henry Hart36
Jas McQueen34
Wm Primrose25
Jas Cousins40
Jas Gunn43
David Allan32
Jas Anderson24
Jno Ulrich30
Nicholas Furlong31
Phillip Duggan24
Patk McRae39
David Wright36
Jno Kennett48
Patk Brady30
Jno Botten35
Peter Kearney37
Fredk Dethloff41
Jas Lloyd41
Alfd Jones23
Jackson Hull26
Thos W Broomfield20
Jas Hy Ambrey24
Geo Know21
Jno Lindberg24
Gilmore Smith28
Wm Lewin35
Angus Munro34
Albert Alberts28
Robt McKee27
Jas Moody30
Geo Edler26
H W Stanfield30
Jno Le Brun26
Jno Seed29
Michl Burke16
Jno Hughes15
Alexr McCracken42
Fredk Archer54
Jno France43
Robt Gardiner46
Thos James59
Thos Couth33
Thos Hamilton52
Geo Singer43
Wm Hughes36
Thos Bentley49
Geo M Campbell47
Alexr Blair36
Kenneth McKenzie35
Geo Lawson40
Jno Livingston28
Allan Makeson33
Wm Purdie35
Jno McMillan22
Andw Fraser24
Donald Kerr25
Jas Murray42
Duncan McGilvray24
Thos Shind22
Jar Gilfillan42
Leslie Anderson42
Jno Docharty29
Wm Chruket32
Chas Kelly51
Jno Kearns36
Wm Parry31
Jno V Nelson26
Hugh Pugh34
Wm McCoy32
Robt Archibald52
Peter McConnel48
Malm McIntyre38
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20 Registry of Births Deaths & Marriages (Victoria) - Certificate, http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/home, Death - James Murray 1889, Margaret McNab 1913. Enginerr.

21 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Death.

22 Scotland's People - Document Image, www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Death. Aged 77.

23 Census Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish, Argyll, 1841-1871, target=_blank>http://www.genealogy4you.com/hobbyco/census/1841.html, 1841. KILBRANDON 1841 records

BALECHUAN MCNAB Hugh 13 M S DISTILLING HOUSE HH MCNAB Margaret 47 DISTILLING HOUSE MCNAB Peter 8 DISTILLING HOUSE MCNAB Margret 5

KILBRANDON 1851 records

MCNAB JOHN 67 ARGYLL KILBRIDE SEIL 9 1 10 MCNAB MARGARET 57 ARGYLL GLENORCHY 9 1 11 + MCNAB HUGH 25 ARGYLL GLENABEICH 9 1 12 MCNAB MARGARET 16 DUNOON 9 1 13

KILBRANDON 1861 records

Toberonchy-45 McNab Hugh Head M M 34 Ag Lab Arg Kilbrandon Toberonchy-45 McNab Ann Wife M F 33 Arg Kilchattan Toberonchy-45 McNab Ann Dau U F 2 Arg Kilchattan Toberonchy-45 McNab Margaret Dau U F 2 mo Arg Kilchattan

#1 Black Mill Bay McNab John Head M M 76 Mason Arg Kilbrandon #1 Black Mill Bay McNab Margaret Wife M F 67 Arg Glenorchy #1 Black Mill Bay McNab Donald Son U M 45 Chelsea pensioner Arg Kilbrandon

KILBRANDON 1871 records

Black Mill Bay MCNAB Hugh Head M M 43 Slate Quarrier Arg Kilbrandon Black Mill Bay MCNAB Ann Wife M F 39 Arg Kilchattan Black Mill Bay MCNAB Ann Dau U F 12 Scholar Arg Kilchattan Black Mill Bay MCNAB Margaret Dau U F 10 Scholar Arg Kilchattan Black Mill Bay MCNAB Helen Dau U F 3 Arg Jura. Age 5 Name: Margret.

24 Census Kilbrandon & Kilchattan Parish, Argyll, 1841-1871, target=_blank>http://www.genealogy4you.com/hobbyco/census/1841.html, 1851. Age 16 BPlace: Dunoon (which is opposite the Clyde's mouth?).

25 Census UK, http://www.censusuk.co.uk/, 1881. Age 43 BPlace: Kilbrandon Name: Margret.

26 Census UK, http://www.censusuk.co.uk/, 1891. Age 52 BPlace Easedale, Argyl.

27 Census UK, http://www.censusuk.co.uk/, 1901. Age 65 BPlace Kilbrandon.